My dog, a cocker spaniel, started doing the same thing. So I got a baby gate for $10, and now I leave him, his food and water, and a few toys in my bathroom when I leave. He is very content, and hasn't had an accident since. I think being alone in the big house was scary for him, and he feels safer having a smaller place to roam.

How old is Jasper? As dogs get older their ability to hold their bladder decreases. Also, if Jasper is an older dog, the urge to relieve himself may sneak up on him and he has little time to find a human to let him out.

I know~my cat is peeing on my new carpet..I cant figure it out..Good Luck

I don't have a comment about your dog but about your segment on the Today show this AM (jan 23, 2008).
About the CFL's: I believe you painted too rosy a picture. One of mine quit yesterday after being installed less then 2 months. What I don't like about CFL's is the long time it takes to reach full light. The Home Depot's guy's 2 seconds to 20 seconds is too optimistic. What you could have done is use a light meter to show how long it takes. In my experience, 2 minutes is a better figure. I have installed about 20 in our house.

Hmmm...you say that there was no medical problem? I know sometimes male cats can get "crystals". I'm not sure if dogs get the same thing. If it's not medcial, I would put my money on he's just "acting out". I imagine there is a lot of travelling and running around going on at your house. To be expected! If so, I'm sure they have doggie Prozac. Seriously - as funny as it sounds. I know a guy at work whose cat was defacating (sp?) around the house and she has kitty Prozac and has been good since. Good luck!

Time to hire the Dog whisper!! One thing for sure is he should not be allowed in the living room, at all. Two, you have to make sure he is getting out enough to piddle in the proper place. Good Luck!

Sounds to me like Jasper is just doing it to get your attention. Even something negative like this does get him some attention. He just loves his "Mama" and wants to spend more time with you.

Another point is that my vet always says that if something has changed (new food, new schedule) and the pet starts to act different, then just change everything back to the way it was.

I really like Jasper--he is so cute. It's always neat to see him on the show.

Dear Meridith:

What do you do when you see this, remember, even negative attention is better than no attention. If you are making a big deal when he leaves you the present by yelling at him it is attention. Try to just ignore it if he does it again. And maybe you should consider not allowing him in the room umless you are home. I love my animals and have problems the same way at times, but love outweighs the problem. Bottom line is spend more time with Jasper, which I know can be difficult with your schedule, but I am sure this will remedy the problem.

Hi Meredith,

I had a similar problem with my dog - he started getting nasty and nippy, especially if friends dropped by. I finally realized he wasn't getting ANY quality time with me, as I had been working full time plus a 2nd job all day Sundays for 2 yrs. Saturdays were just a blur of errands and cleaning, and I was always exhausted. So I quit Sundays & made a point of getting up earlier every day - our morning walk is now 20 min. instead of 10. Since this is the highlight of his day, I try to have about 20 min. after our walk so I'm not just "dumping him after a great date" so to speak. Plus I now walk him after work as well (good for me too!) He's back to his sweet old self, I'm calmer and less rushed, and though I miss the extra money, my life is much better! If you can just squeeze in some daily "together" time with your dog - even if it's 10 min. a day he can count on with you, I bet he stops that in a week - good luck!

How old is Jasper? Are you sure he doesn't have any medical issues? Our poodle started doing that and he ended up having bladder stones. As he got older he started doing it again. I ended up putting on a doggy diaper I made out of sanitary napkins and a doggy pantie. He didn't like it at first, but he got adjusted to it since he was allowed to roam the house.
Good luck and I hope you find out what is causing it.

My elderly female cat also pees and poops under my son's crib or under the guest bedroom bed. At first, I thought she had bladder control problems, however she strategically finds those spots to do her business. We now have to confine her to our laundry room during the day while we are not at home. I think part of her issue is that our 2 year old son gets more attention and she's jealous. There could be reasons why your dog is doing this. So, good luck!

If he's an older dog, I would take him to the vet to check for some sort of medical incontinence. I think they can also have behavioral incontinence, too. My dog was doing that for a while when I got really busy, and I think it was to get my attention. I'm not 100% sure of that, though, as I never took her to the vet because she just stopped doing it one day.

Your husband is quite insightful about what is valued in this country and what isn't. As Richard said on Larry King Live, narcissism is the name of the game.

What part does the media play in America's obsession with self? Do you, as a journalist, notice how much air time is devoted to beauty products, plastic surgery, fashion segments and snide comments about how others look?

When snarky comments are presented as acceptable, impressionable viewers are going to feel that it's fine to use them against anyone who is different in any way.

Many times people with chronic illness have weak muscle tone and appear to be clumsy. Klutz is a word they've heard too often. Do they have to hear it on national TV too?

Many times people with chronic illness are not up to full time physical labor and it makes them feel like losers. How do you think it makes them feel when they hear the term "loser" used as a joke on national television?

Kudos to Richard for pointing out that words have an impact. Choose them wisely.

Hey Meredith, I had the same problem today when I got home from school! I walked in and right by the door is pee, and shes standing there looking at me, like opps! She also pooped on the floor too. So I just spent the last hour cleaning up after her. I mean she is getting old and is home alone all day, but its still a little frustrating! I know what your going through!

Meridith, there is a dog psychologist on the internet that you can contact the email address is Kathyforhb@heast.com I wish you good luck with this situation because I know from when you were on the view Jasper was a bit of a problem and that you love him and want to try to help him.

Meredith, Jasper needs to be not allowed in any carpeted room when no one is home to let him out to go potty. what he is doing is not acceptable or sanitary. No doubt he is also urinating at the same time, and that will seep into your carpet pad and your whole room will soon start to smell .I love animals as well as anyone, but obviously Jasper cannot be allowed to continue this . I have a house cat, and have had him 2 years, and for some reason, twice recently now he has climbed onto my dining room table at night and knocked my decorations around. Of course I cannot allow this. My solution will be to place him in the bathroom at night with his food and litter box and toys. Hopefully he will miss sleeping on my warm cozy bed, and get the message. Time will tell. anyway, I love your show every day. Never miss it if I can help.

Meridith,

After going to one of the Dog Whisper seminars, reading his books, and seeing all of his shows, I have a new outlook toward dogs.

Here are some eye openers that will help you. I have used them many times now that I train dogs.

~Never treat your dog as human
~Do not disrespect them and treat them as anythig else but a dog. It only makes you feel good to treat them as a baby and not an animal...
~Dogs in nature walk an average of 12.5 miles a day. That is who they are and walking is a very important part of their DNA.
~Remember, Birds fly, fish swim, horses run, and dogs walk.
~Bored and/or inactive dogs have these types of issues.
~No dog walks means issues sooner or later.
~In nature dogs walk in structured packs with the pack leader always in front. Never let your dog walk in front of you.
~Active dogs with structure and leadership are balanced dogs.
~If this was a person with very little activity or structure they might drink, smoke, etc.
Have you got it?
If not see Dog Whisperer!

We lost our dog, Shadrach, last May. He was 15. But we had noticed for about the last several years he started peeing in the house. I think he was just getting older and not always feeling like going out to pee. We thought he was healthy, but he died of huge tumors inside that we didn't even know about. Anyway, good luck.

I am going to be of no help, but our cat is doing the same thing and it is very upsetting so I can imagine what you are going through.

But I wanted to tell you how much I enjoy you. I think you are so wonderful on Today. I was at the audience at The View a few years back and during commercial breaks YOU were the warmest and most genuine with the audience (actually you were the only one who acknowledged the audience) and I never forgot that. I am surprised I am saying this but I am getting older and it's something positive so I will say it: Our dear friend is an actor and had been a guest on The View four to five times and I always asked about you and he said how amazing you were/are and how beautiful you are --

The best to you and your family always Meredith -- you deserve it : )

Erin

you know, you could spend dollar upon dollar trying to figure things like this out. the crux, my friend, is that you are dealing with an animal. there is no rhyme, or reason at times to their behaviour. this doesn't make them less lovable. but i doubt very seriously that there is some sort of 'emotional abandonment' or 'neglect' inflicted on his little psyche. rest easy and know that this too shall pass.

Maybe it's one of the darn cats trying to get Jasper in trouble...

I had this problem with my dog, Who is also named Jasper...Anyways he was doing this when we would have new kids in our home (we are foster parents). Anyways at first I was yelling and making him sit while I clean up the mess, but then it dawned on me...IGNORE this behavior!! So I did, he did it only one more time, I shut the door to the room he was doing this in so he could not see what I was doing, walked past him without saying anything...and boom...it has been about 8 months and it has stopped!!! Good Luck to you!!!

mer--my cat Pepper pees on my bed once & awhile. she does it when I don't pay attention to her. she likes to get alot of affection. why don't you put Jasper on the couch with Dr. gail?? It would make a cute segment.

My cat, Lucy, was exhibiting similarly uncharacteristic potty behavior. Lucy started pooping in the dining room, not long after we adopted a new kitten, Jasper.

I solved this problem by completely saturating my dining room rugs with Renuzit Super Odor Neutralizer in the Citrus Sunburst scent.

Once animals go the bathroom in a certain place, they feel as though they are always entitled to use the same spot. This product completely eliminated the smell of her previous poops and she disliked the citrus smell.

I sprayed the area twice a day for a week, then once a day for a week, then once weekly for a month.

She stopped pooping after the first day and the problem has not returned in over a year.

Meridith,

I could tell you a long tragic tale of my experience with a beagle. It involved one dog, two kids, a lot of ammonia and water (to clean up you know what), one rose bush, and one phone call from the Jeep dealership after we had to have our car towed in with the question "Ma'am do you own a dog?".

But, the story's too long to go into. All I can say is, it sounds like your dog's mad a you and vaya con dios.

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to get political, but I'm unsure of how to contact you.

Even as a Hillary supporter, I was very upset about the attack on Obama on January 23. Anybody who had watched the debates a few nights ago could see that you did not play Obama's entire quote, which is one of the oldest dirty tricks in the book for trying to make someone look bad. I was appalled. I think you should let people make their minds up about candidates themselves instead of steering people in any direction, especially with tricks like this, because while you might have probably deflected people from Obama, everyone who watched the CNN debates knew that what was being presented on the Today Show was a classic "half-truth," playing what you want and discarding the rest. This was very, very, disappointing and turns off everybody who appreciates full honesty. I don't know if your researchers did this for you or if you did this yourself, but it was quite dishonest indeed.

Oh dear, I feel your pain and frustration. I spent many years trying to figure our why my cat, Barney, sprayed all over the house. He was at the vets for more exams I can count, on so many different "tranquilizers" over the years and yes, much to the amusment of friends and family, even had a cat "psychologist" make house calls to assess the cat's "living enviroment". I bought Nature's Miracle [gallon size] by the case and spent time each and every day cleaning up after him. He never was broken of this bad habits and after awhile I just gave up trying and cleaned and cleaned. After 17 years, he died in my arms of cancer. Now I have all the time in the world to clean carpets and floors and miss him more than words can say. The previous poster said it all: Love outweighs the problem. Best of luck with Jasper but love him anyway!

My dog has this issue occasionally too... Usually it is the result of someone forgetting to let him out or if we leave him alone and he gets anxious. My only suggestion would be not letting Jasper on the carpet unless someone is present with him. That always prevents my dog from leaving unpleasant gifts.

Put the dog to sleep. Buy a white rat. Please, don't whine - its your fault.

I'd steam the area again but steam a larger diameter. Seems once a dog leaves his mark, he'll sniff it out and keep it marked (and boy do they have sniffers). Animals!

Hi Meredith,
I know how you feel, I had a cat who did this to every chair, bed, wall, door etc that I can think of and there was nothing we could do. His name is Tuffy and we didn't put him to sleep, he is out at our business with 3 other cats and he is a lot better.We did so much remodeling and replaced so much furniture but it is such a hard thing to get them to stop once they start. All I can say is put Jasper in a room while you are gone so he is comfortable and has water etc but no where that he can damage carpeting etc. because I would bet he isn't going to stop this. I wish you good luck, Jasper is such a sweetie but so is Tuffy and he would do it if he was still here.
Love ya
Joan K.
Wisconsin

Steaming dees not remove the scent. He'll continue to make - and the cats may as well - in the same spot until you get the scent taken care of..
(BTW how do you know its not the cats?)

There's a product called Anti-"ICky-Poo - not kidding on the name. It is biodegradable and won't damage fabric or rugs. It has some type of enzyme that destroys any remaining biological component that might remain on the rug. It also works for vomit and poop.

Also, check to make sure there are no kidney or bladder polyps or stones - via a sonogram.

My 15 year old dog has what they think are benign bladder ployps so has to go a little more often than before. We're lucky he has taught himself to use a wee-wee pad if no one is at home.

Good luck!!!!

Way too much pyschoanalyzing cause and effect. Solution? Dog Door

I have a 7 month old Maltese mix who is now about half house-trained, which equates to being half pregnant. Seriously, the instructors at puppy school told me that the best way to get it to stop is to reward him with lots of praise and a treat when he goes in the right place, and totally ignore him (not "it", we have to clean up) when he goes in the wrong place. That works when you can let the pup out regularly. My husband and also travel quite a bit (we are also in TV, in sports), and I wonder if our dog sitters are as diligent. Jasper is a cutie, and I know he's bringing a lot of joy to your home, too. Hang in there!

James McEntire, I've noticed your comments here before. What is your problem? You have a lot of hostility. Life must be very uncomfortable for you, carrying around a ton of contempt like that.

The Internet is a big wide place. Don't read Meredith's blog if you find it so irritating. Seriously, do yourself a favor.

I would suggest to rule out any medical problems. Then hire a dog behaviorist that your vet recommends. In the meanwhile, make sure to use the strongest pet stain remover because although the stain seems to disappear and stop smelling to you, dogs and cats can often still know where they last went and they will continue to go in the same spots..Good luck!

To James McEntire
You sound like a cruel "man", good thing you aren't a dog and you would happen to have you as an owner and you had an accident.
Go somewhere else and make rude comments, your comments aren't the least bit funny, just idiotic.
Joan K.
Wisconsin

Hi Meredith!
I can't help you with the dog situation, this is problem that my mom had fought with our dogs my whole life! I think it is an attention thing, then becomes an age thing. Combine the two and you will be looking for new carpet soon!
Here is a Friday ? for you. I am going to be getting married in a couple of months. I love the way that you talk of your marriage, Richard and your family. Also, how you have worked so hard to juggle your family and career, but always having your family before your career. Any advise for a bride to be?
You are great!
Thanks! EL

I'm with Ken the dog whisperer guy.
Well balanced dogs do not potty in the house, unless they can't help it. The other thing is as they get older, just like people, dogs can't always control their bowels as well as they used to. Make sure he gets a nice long walk a few times a day.

Does he do it during more hectic times than usual? either he holds it as long as he can or he's "getting back" for not getting as much attention or the household routine is "off" and confusing him.
Since you have the money I'd suggest putting a dog door in an area that is attached to a large dog run (chain-linked all around, even over the top, and with a secure lock on the gate. You can attached the house burgler alarm to the outside of the dog run, too. The dog door doesn't have to be installed in a door, it could be placed in any wall. Your cats might even like a place to go outside sometimes, too, and the chain-link would be secure for both. Even better if you have a sunny spot to put it.

Keep a journal....you may find a pattern in Jasper's behavior that you are missing. Also, you said it's not medical but have you had him checked out at the vet? When cleaning the carpet, make sure you use Nature's Miracle (or equivalent store brand)..You may not be able to smell anything after you steam clean, but Jasper may and the smell could stimulate his need to pee. Restrict his access to room in the house when you can't supervise him. Those are things I've learned from fostering dogs for rescue. Of course, it could just be him playing for attention (even if it's not good attention). I had a jack russell mix who would periodically leave little gifts for us and we knew it was for attention.

I too, like (Gayle) got a baby gate and I have Baxter's food and water, a small bed and blanket and some milk bones in the front bathroom. Baxter stays in there anytime we leave and he is very good about controlling himself. He is very content in there. I don't believe in crate training, so this was another alternative to that and it's working. Good luck.

James M. McEntire: A better solution would be to put YOU to sleep, rather than an innocent pet. You are not funny. You are just an idiot.

To Chris:
Who are you to lecture Meredith on chronic illness? She lives with this everyday. Do not use Meredith's husband to advance your own agenda. You use different aliases' to post nonsense on this blog and Dr. Saltz's blog almost every day. Many of us recognize your sanctimonious nonsense whenever you post. I suspect Meredith does also and simply ignores you as she should.

Meredith,

I would look at the timelines of this happening, with the coming and goings of Ben. Jasper sees a part of his family stepping in and out, in timelines that he can not predict, in turn he is acting out in ways you can not predict.

He has lost a space of comfort, which might be filled with something that is a reminder of Ben, that is just his. Animals are deeply sensitive, sometimes more so than humans in how they intuite and show thier feelings, or pain. I had a dog that died a couple of years ago at 14, but when I had to leave on business, he would see the suitcase and stop eating, even though the rest of the family was still here. His way of leaving a space empty in him, until I got back.

Just a thought.
Blessings,
Linda

Hey Mer----- it's me...I have cats, I travel alot it's called ANXIETY...my cat pees on closet door in bathroom 1 foot from litter box...the other cats..scratches her self into scabs when I travel...even though someone comes and tends to them..
I just deal with it
Good Luck
MB

My husband & I know what you are going through, we have a beagle/bassett mix that we love very much and he hasalways been a clean dog. In the last year he became very sick, at times not letting us know he has to go out and then wetting on the rug(or floor) at first we thought we just ddn't notice him letting us know he had to go out, then along with this he was always looking for water, then he got really sick, throwing up and peeing blood, mind you this happen in a matter of days. We thought we would loose him, we have a great vet,she had to keep our dog because over 1 night he had lost almost all of his body fluid, he had to be hydrated and need med's IV and after blood & urine test done about 3 days apart was if finally determined that he came done with Cushings Disease,small dogs get this more than large ones.So his medical conditions wasn't picked up until the 2nd tests where done.And after medicine heis doing good and when he starts to act out we know that he might have a urine infect.So check wellness

Meredith, every source I've read about this problem says that you have to go back to crate training to re-housebreak your dog -- assuming, of course, that physical causes have been ruled out. If you do an internet search for "housebreak older dog" (as opposed to puppy), I think crate-training will be the most-recommended method. Not a fun prospect, I know, but it's a temporary situation to fix a big problem. Good luck!

I forgot to mention in my previous post -- another poster had talked about using ammonia to clean up pet spots in carpet. Because ammonia smells like pee, it will only invite a dog or cat to continue going there. Better to use a commercial product specifically for this problem, to completely eliminate the odor.

M,
As a fellow Rhode Islander and animal rescuer I feel your pain. I have 29 cats and one dog so I am always up to my elbows in pee, poop and puke. I assume that since you know it's not a medical issue, that you have taken Jasper to the vet to rule out any possible causes. Here are some suggestions:
Install a doggie door that opens into an enclosed are where Jasper can relieve himself at will. If you have the space, you could make this area a playpen for him as well with some agility equipment for him to clown around on.

Hire a dog walker who can come over mid-day and spend some time with him as well as giving him exercise.

Are there any changes in your household? New food, new pets etc that could be upsetting him?

Feed premium quality food such as Artemis or Solid Gold, free of soy, wheat, corn, preservatives and byproducts. This can make an enormous difference and you should feed twice a day.

You need an enzyme cleaner to get the smell out of the carpet.

Good luck!
Brenda

We had the same problem with our dog. Our vet said that she got anxious when left alone and suggested that we buy a small kennel (just bigger than her) and keep her in there when we weren't home. We did, along with a cushy pad and we included a favorite toy, too. We never had the issue again. Evidently she felt safe in there and didn't feel the need to mark her territory anymore. Hope this helps!

Last year, I adopted a dog (or a dog was dumped on me, depending on how you look at it)
He is a beagle with "issues" and I have been struggling with him for 8 months now. As far as I can tell, dogs are insecure little shits. (and I mean that in the most loving way.)

If my routine changes in anyway he has behavioral problems. I feel like I am imprisoned by his needs! Anyway....
My solution has been similar to what other people have mentioned: More regular and prolonged exercise whether it is a walk or play time and also using his crate when I am not home so he doesn't have a chance to get into trouble.

PS...
Do you have more than one dog?? One piece of advice I was given was to get a second dog to keep the first dog company. (to which I say, won't that just double the trouble?)

Oh, and one more thought...

Clean carpets are overrated.

In trying to solve my dog's issues I met a couple of people who got rid of their dogs in favor of a clean house. My sympathy lies with the warm, loyal cuddly but annoying dog over a carpet which only serves to cover the floor.

The first time was probably a combination of missing you and feeling that he wasn't getting enough attention from the rest of the family. It is unfortunate that no one noticed it at the time, because Jasper took the lack of response to his behavior as an "ok" from the family. Steam cleaning the carpet was a good effort, if there were no padding beneath the carpet. It's next to impossible to get the scent out of all those layers. Even if you can't smell it, Jasper can and now he thinks that spot is his private bathroom. If you haven't already, you may want to speak with your vet about what they recommend for descenting that spot.

Hey, Mr. James McEntire - get yourself a life and a clue and your head out of your you know what. Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all?

What a sad man you are.

I have had this problem with both "new" dogs with no "bad history" and with Re-abilitated "rescues". First and foremost GO TO THE VET. Rule out any urinary problems or anal gland problems. Small dogs need the anal glands cleaned regularly. If that's not the problem then DO THIS..an old dog trainer taught me this and I have never had a problem since. ALWAYS GIVE THEM THE SAME SIGNAL WHEN YOU LEAVE!! We give a small treat and say "Mommy come home soon" in a sing song voice. Works like a charm. They come to know the sound with your leaving but most importantly with you coming back! When you do get home Give at least 30 secs of complete attention saying "Mommy come home! Yeah. Good Dog. Mommy come home". Crazy but it works. Even my most neurotic dogs calmed down and were wonderful pets. You will solve this problem. You will all be happy again.

Dear Merideth,I also have a dog named Jasper and he does the same thing.I finally started going outside with him and watching him and all he was doing was nothing most the time.So now i go out and stand there and constantly tellhim to go pooh and pee until he does.So far so good!Good Luck!Marty

Here are my 2 cents if you haven't solved your problem yet. As many noted once an animal marks a spot he feels it is his for life. I'm guessing that you are correct and the first time it happened Jasper either wasn't let out or was feeling neglected and did his deed. Now, though you've cleaned you haven't gotten out his scent. If he happens upon it and needs to go or is a bit bored--Bingo! another present.

There is a product called Nature's Miracle which works like a charm. Completely saturate the area--down to the pad and simply let it dry. It has a citrusy scent while wet and when dry will have completely gotten rid of the scent leaving no more stimulus for poor Jasper and no more presents for you! Good luck!

Our dog started doing this and also drinking a lot of water. Turned out she had developed diabetes. Now we give her two shots of vet-sulin a day. It stopped the problem (most of the time). Good luck!

Well, Meredith, I have a 7 years old 12 lbs terrier rescue mutt which: 1) pees inside the house because he wants attention (even negative one.) or because he wants to mark his possessions (these shoes belong to me therefore ...) 2) poops outside less he thinks he's been abandoned (I am not home on time ... his time!). 3) scratches our doors and door frames to hell because he wants to be with whenever I am.
Damaged door frames and ruined rugs and we still adore our lit' Einstein Houdini Napoleon :-) So there, read all of suggestions offered here and make your decision accordingly. Best of luck!

Kap

To James I agree with the others no one held a gun to your head to make you read the blog. You obviously don't like dogs (hence the rat comment). Do yourself and the rest of us a favor if you don't like the blog about animals click onto something else no need for your negativity.

Just because you aren't a dog lover does not mean you need to place blame on the owner.

If Jasper goes in the same place, (i.e. behind the couch) put moth balls back there. I don't know why, but he will NOT go there again. Their noses are too sensitive I guess. Good Luck!

There is a product called Abate that you can mix with water. Saturate the spot with this solution and just let it drip through the floor boards etc. Your dog's sense of smell is 250k greater than yours so you need to eliminate the odor completely....try it you'll like it! Also- I agree with crating your dog- he will be much happier and feel safer.

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Hello Meredith; Would you have on your show avenues that women can go through to obtain,grants, aide, to set up there own businesses? More discussion isnt helping if we in all states dont know where to go. (as for me a farm consisting of heritage ani,mals, sheep,chickens, horses, veg, flowers, and country walker. (uk)influence) also there are as you know many with M.S. and aide in all areas of there lives including scholarships for college for there children, morgages, medicine, health care in home. Etc. the burden is maninly on the wife or husband to support the entire family.And there are web sites but is basically research on your own. Please not only MS> but soldiers coming home where are you people///>??? we are at war, and am so tired of Al Roker the pest. Everyday I watch to some length and everything is always a joke........no one mentions the war. you have spent more time indulgeing topics food, hair, skin, what and when was the last time you all talked about something intelligent, moving, and life altering besides someones personal psychic opinions on how we should buy flowers, eat food, and no one teaches onyone anything. no one women are so empty headed.